Floyd | A new game begins with 7 players composed of 1 werewolf, 1 seer, 1 Floyd | fool, and 4 villagers. Now it is night; time for the werewolf to Floyd | KILL, the seer to IDENTIFY, the fool to IDENTIFY and the rest to Floyd | SLEEP. You whisper "who" to Floyd. Floyd whispers, "Current players (7):" Floyd whispers, "schep brenbarn parsergirl reillyb julian lonecleric caleb" You whisper "point schep" to Floyd. Floyd whispers, "schep is a villager." maga_dogg arrives, full of funk, but no fun. Floyd | lonecleric, a villager, mutters something about having been detected Floyd | as a B4D MCH1N3 before collapsing into a pile of scrap metal. Floyd | It is now day. Time to VOTE on whom to lynch. maga_dogg says, "did I miss the sta- yes" BrenBarn says, "hmm" Julian says, "OK." LoneCleric says, "Yay non-game." ParserGirl says, "Bad LoneCleric. No oil." Julian says, "a fool, a seer, a wolf, and villagers. I'm not the wolf. (I'll be right back -- please don't lynch me.)" schep says, "okay, so." schep says, "IIAS, ParserGirl is innocent." ParserGirl votes to lynch Julian (not really). BrenBarn says, "IIAS, schep is innocent" caleb says, "IIAS, brenbarn is innocent" ParserGirl says, "IIAS, caleb is a villager" Julian says, "IIAS, ParserGirl is a villager." BrenBarn says, "hmmm" Julian asks, "The fool is totally random, right? So the fool can see a villager who actually is a villager?" BrenBarn says, "yes" schep says, "yup" Julian says, "OK." BrenBarn says, "but not random if fool picks on another fool or a seer" Julian asks, "Can the fool identify the same person twice and get two different answers?" schep says, "not sure" BrenBarn says, "yes" Julian says, "huh." BrenBarn says, "that will tip you off that you're a fool" ParserGirl says, "Every parents' worst nightmare." BrenBarn says, "but of course you waste a night, and it's not guaranteed that your IDs will be different" Julian says, "Indeed." schep says, "if you want to waste an ID checking someone twice, that is. right." BrenBarn sings, "making an identification, checkin' it twice, gonna find out who's foolish at night. . ." Julian says, "5 people used IIAS. I bet that at least ParserGirl is just muddying the waters." BrenBarn says (to Julian), "and yet you exonerated her" reillyb says, "hmmm" Julian says (to BrenBarn), "muddying the waters is not necessarily a bad thing =)" caleb says, "hmm" Julian shrugs. ParserGirl asks, "Who peed in the village well?" Julian says, "hee." reillyb reillyb wonders if Julian is being overzealous BrenBarn asks, "As in whose peeing was skilful?" Julian asks, "I know that I'm not a wolf. I bet that schep isn't. Could be caleb and BrenBarn?" BrenBarn asks, "where do you come up with these ideas?" caleb says, "i'm not" Julian says, "Or maybe reillyb is just trying to get me lynched after being very quiet." Julian says (to BrenBarn), "you two also IIAS'd." BrenBarn says, "everyone did, except reillyb" BrenBarn says, "and he's new" ParserGirl asks, "ok, random vote?" Julian says, "oh, right." caleb says, "i might have mistaken the use of IIAS. sorry if i messed something up" ParserGirl says (to caleb), "nah" maga_dogg has had his fill of playing for now, and goes back to the Lounge. Julian says (to caleb), "IIAS stands for If I Am a Seer" schep says (to caleb), "it looked fine." BrenBarn says (to caleb), "you did fine -- just don't give too much away now!" Julian shrugs again. LoneCleric says, "Hmmpf, won't have time for one after that." [wolf-watchers] LoneCleric has left the channel. Floyd | julian votes to lynch reillyb. LoneCleric has had his fill of playing for now, and goes back to the Lounge. schep says, "he hasn't given anything away. He could be a confused villager, or a very good seer. Or of course, a sneaky wolf." Floyd | parsergirl votes to lynch julian. Floyd | reillyb votes to lynch julian. BrenBarn says, "hmm" Floyd | caleb votes to lynch julian. Julian says (to PG), "I'm *not* the wolf." schep says, "hmm." BrenBarn says, "julian is very jumpy, but always is" Julian asks, "Darnit, I'm either the seer or the fool, OK?" reillyb says, "let's hear that point now " You whisper "who" to Floyd. Floyd whispers, "Current players (6):" Floyd whispers, "schep has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "brenbarn has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "parsergirl has 0 votes and votes to lynch julian." Floyd whispers, "reillyb has 1 vote and votes to lynch julian." Floyd whispers, "julian has 3 votes and votes to lynch reillyb." Floyd whispers, "caleb has 0 votes and votes to lynch julian." schep says, "eep." Floyd | parsergirl retracts a vote for julian. Floyd | caleb retracts a vote for julian. Julian says, "I bet that the wolf is either caleb or reillyb, now. Anyone else could've just killed me." Julian says, "huh, nevermind." BrenBarn asks, "hmm, ok, what did you see?" Floyd | reillyb retracts a vote for julian. Julian says, "I saw PG as a villager." ParserGirl says, "This is true." ParserGirl says, "whether random or not" ParserGirl says, "but she could be trying to butter me up" Julian shrugs. schep says, "(he)" ParserGirl says, "oops" BrenBarn says, "hmm, it's still possible that Julian could be a wolf" ParserGirl says, ">IDENTIFY GENDER" BrenBarn asks, "where's that crystal ball?" schep says, "still not too much info. But better than nothing." caleb says, "i'm not sure what i did to make myself look like a wolf to julian" Floyd | schep votes to lynch caleb. Julian says, "I suppose that I could quote myself from last game and say that I'd been a wolf the two previous games, I'm *not* a wolf now... but I'm really not." Julian asks (of schep), "why?" schep says (to caleb), "he's saying the people who didn't vote for him are likely innocent." BrenBarn says, "well that's helpful, considering it was meaningless then" Julian nods. schep says (to Julian), "I don't really know." BrenBarn says, "I think caleb is as likely as any" You whisper "who" to Floyd. Floyd whispers, "Current players (6):" Floyd whispers, "schep has 0 votes and votes to lynch caleb." Floyd whispers, "brenbarn has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "parsergirl has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "reillyb has 1 vote and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "julian has 0 votes and votes to lynch reillyb." Floyd whispers, "caleb has 1 vote and hasn't yet voted." caleb says (to schep), "i voted for him because i couldn't follow his logic, and it seemed like it was designed to confuse" Julian says, "OK." Julian asks, "How about reillyb, though?" BrenBarn asks, "how about him?" schep says, "I believe Julian, since in the next round the total count of seers/fools will come out right." reillyb asks, "what about me?" Julian says, "He jumped on the bandwagon, he jumped off it only after he realized that this was incriminating." BrenBarn says, "hrm" schep says, "well, it's still a viable strategy to claim to be seer or fool, but difficult." Julian says, "caleb, OTOH, retracted quick." BrenBarn says, "I don't think it" schep says, "not that Julian had much choice at that point, if he were a wolf." Julian says, "and since I doubt that PG is the wolf, it's probably either caleb or reillyb, since anyone else could've ended it right there." BrenBarn says, "er, it's very helpful to go just on the basis of how quickly people voted or didn't, etc." BrenBarn says, "(I don't think it is. that was a continuation of the other statement)" Julian says, "Sigh, I know. and the whole bandwagon argument is silly here in the first round anyway." BrenBarn says, "people are often doing stuff in other windows, lagging, whatever" Floyd | parsergirl votes to lynch caleb. Julian says, "Well, by speed I mean in relation to other game actions." You whisper "who" to Floyd. Floyd whispers, "Current players (6):" Floyd whispers, "schep has 0 votes and votes to lynch caleb." Floyd whispers, "brenbarn has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "parsergirl has 0 votes and votes to lynch caleb." Floyd whispers, "reillyb has 1 vote and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "julian has 0 votes and votes to lynch reillyb." Floyd whispers, "caleb has 2 votes and hasn't yet voted." Julian says, "Caleb retracted probably before he realized that PG did." You whisper "vote caleb" to Floyd. Floyd | brenbarn votes to lynch caleb. caleb says, "vote for me, but my death will exonerate me. i claim my vote for julian came from fear and newness for the game" BrenBarn says, "no real knowledge, but I have my reasons, I guess" caleb says, "er, to" ParserGirl says, "wolves always make typos from their thick hairy pawz" schep says (to caleb), "sure." Julian says (to caleb), "vote for reillyb." BrenBarn says (to PG), "hee" maga_dogg arrives, full of neither funk nor fun. schep says, "er, sincere." BrenBarn asks (of reillyb), "what do you think?" reillyb says, "hmmm" caleb exclaims (at pg), "hey, you were right when you called me a villager!" reillyb says, "here goes..." Floyd | reillyb votes to lynch caleb. Floyd | A majority has voted to lynch caleb, who is strung up and dies before Floyd | sundown. caleb turns out to have been a villager. Floyd | Night has fallen; time for some to sleep and others to kill. Julian says, "sigh" You whisper "who" to Floyd. Floyd whispers, "Current players (5):" Floyd whispers, "schep brenbarn parsergirl reillyb julian" ParserGirl says, "damn" You whisper "point reillyb" to Floyd. Floyd whispers, "reillyb is a villager." ParserGirl says, "last time I jump on the badnwagon" reillyb says, "hmmm" BrenBarn says, "hmm indeed" schep says, "[ahem]" Julian says, "wf sleep" [wolf-watchers] caleb says, "ouch" You mute #games/mud/wolf-watchers temporarily. Floyd | schep, a villager, is discovered lounging by the town gates, behind Floyd | the tavern, in the bushes, across the town square, and at home. Floyd | It is now day. Time to VOTE on whom to lynch. BrenBarn says, "hmmm" Julian says, "That's just noise, btw, *snore*." Floyd | parsergirl votes to lynch reillyb. Julian says, "erk. OK. I ID'd reillyb and saw a werewolf." BrenBarn says (to Julian), "aha" BrenBarn says, "now let's not get hasty" Julian says, "IIAS, reillyb is a wolf." Julian says, "I mean to say =)" BrenBarn says, "well, we already know you're either seer or fool" You whisper "who" to Floyd. Floyd whispers, "Current players (4):" Floyd whispers, "brenbarn has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "parsergirl has 0 votes and votes to lynch reillyb." Floyd whispers, "reillyb has 1 vote and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "julian has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." BrenBarn says, "OK, here's the deal" reillyb asks (of pg), "why me?" BrenBarn says, "I'm the other seeool" BrenBarn says, "I also IDd reillyb but for me he was a villager" Julian asks (of BrenBarn), "who'd you ID the first time?" BrenBarn says, "the night before I IDd schep as a villager, and he was -- but that doesn't mean I'm the seer" Julian says, "Right..." reillyb asks (of Julian), "who did you id the first night?" BrenBarn says, "PG, he already said that" Julian says, "I ID'd PG as a villager." Julian says (to reillyb), "If I'm the fool, both that ID and the one incriminating you are bogus, and necessarily wrong if BrenBarn is the seer." Julian says, "Because if he is, then you are a villager and PG is the wolf." BrenBarn says, "hmm, that's a good point" ParserGirl says, "since reillyb could have claimed seeool, but didnt', and I know I'm innocent, the most likely scenario is that he is the wolf" ParserGirl says, "4 players left. Villager, wolf, 2 seeools" Julian says (to PG), "How do you work out the seeool, then? BrenBarn could be lying, true." reillyb says (to PG), "or you're a wolf" BrenBarn says, "if I'm the seer then PG is the wolf, if not then reillyb is the wolf" BrenBarn says (to Julian), "not likely, since we have no other claimants" Julian says, "ooh, right." ParserGirl says (to BrenBarn), "Then Juilian must be the true seer, since I"m villager" "I didn't brush my teeth this morning just so I could be fried bacon with a pretty smile." BrenBarn says, "heh, well" Julian exclaims (at PG), "wolves typo, because of their paws!" ParserGirl says, "oh no!" Julian suspects a Freudian slip. ParserGirl says, "hlep me im inosent" Julian asks (of reillyb), "What are your thoughts?" reillyb says, "well, i'm a villager. i'm going through everyone's logic at the moment" "Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs." -- Direct quote from US/Taliban oil negotiations, according to "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth" reillyb says, "still trying to figure out why PG voted for me" Julian says, "PG was possibly hasty." ParserGirl says, "Then I know you're the wolf." ParserGirl says, "Because I am the villager." Julian says (to PG), "You didn't know yet that BrenBarn claimed seeool." devil arrives, full of fun, but no funk. Julian says (to PG), "You hadn't yet heard my claim that he was wolf." ParserGirl says (to Julian), "I can discard all the other evidence because he claims to be what I am." BrenBarn says, "I think I may have screwed us up. oh well." reillyb says, "i am a tasty villager, not a hasty wolf" ParserGirl says, "I voted for him on suspicion first" ParserGirl asks (of reillyb), "hey, how would you know how tasty villagers are?" Julian asks (of PG), "even though in end game, one other person could leap in?" ParserGirl says (to Julian), "I didn't realize that" reillyb tastes himself BrenBarn says, "ew" ParserGirl says, "I have an awful habit of going with my gut in these games apparently." Julian shrugs. Floyd | julian votes to lynch reillyb. You whisper "who" to Floyd. Floyd whispers, "Current players (4):" Floyd whispers, "brenbarn has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "parsergirl has 0 votes and votes to lynch reillyb." Floyd whispers, "reillyb has 2 votes and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "julian has 0 votes and votes to lynch reillyb." Julian says, "Well, I was wrong about the voting thing anyway." BrenBarn says, "hmm" ParserGirl says, "does it take majority? i never bothered to figure that out" Julian asks (of BrenBarn), "want to go on assumption that you are fool? ... or any other arguments?" BrenBarn says (to PG), "yes" Floyd | reillyb votes to lynch parsergirl. "They laughed at Newton. They laughed at Einstein. Of course, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." --- Carl Sagan ParserGirl says (to reillyb), "you should have done that a long time ago when I claimed villager, if you were really one." BrenBarn says (to Julian), "I'm trying to figure it out" reillyb says, "well, i'm new" ParserGirl says, "long time=a few moments after this voting period" Julian nods at BrenBarn. reillyb says, "to werewolf" BrenBarn says, "I just went back and looked at scrollback" ParserGirl says, "voting period started" Floyd | Current players (4): Floyd | brenbarn has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted. Floyd | parsergirl has 1 vote and votes to lynch reillyb. Floyd | reillyb has 2 votes and votes to lynch parsergirl. Floyd | julian has 0 votes and votes to lynch reillyb. Floyd | ParserGirl says, "wait" ParserGirl says, "oh, nevermind" BrenBarn says, "I want some good logic, darn it" Floyd | julian retracts a vote for reillyb. Julian says, "OK." ParserGirl says, "I read the voting thing wrong and wondered where reilly's second vote came from" What *is* your fascination with my forbidden closet of mystery? And let's not forget I'm wearing a rotting finger around my neck. You whisper "who" to Floyd. Floyd whispers, "Current players (4):" Floyd whispers, "brenbarn has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "parsergirl has 1 vote and votes to lynch reillyb." Floyd whispers, "reillyb has 1 vote and votes to lynch parsergirl." Floyd whispers, "julian has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." Julian says, "BrenBarn is the seer => that I am a fool, that PG is the wolf, that reillyb is the villager" BrenBarn says, "right" Julian says, "I am the seer => that BrenBarn is a fool, that PG is the villager, that reillyb is the wolf." BrenBarn says, "right" Julian says, "PG immediately voted for reillyb; reillyb did not vote for PG even after being fingered. These last facts have no clear implication." Julian says, "It's possible that BrenBarn is lying about beein seeool, but very unlikely since he did not jump on the bandwagon just now to kill reillyb." BrenBarn says, "also, as I said, very unlikely since the true seeool would surely have come forward by now" Julian says, "There's no reason to believe that I am seeool except that nobody else claimed it." Julian nods. BrenBarn says, "I believe that Julian and I are the seeools, I'm not in doubt about that" ParserGirl says (to Julian), "two of you three must bee the seeools. Since reillyb claims to be what I am, I know he is the wolf and that the two of you are telling the truth" BrenBarn says, "the funny thing is that the fact that schep was actually a villager has no bearing on the odds of my being the seer" Julian says (to PG), "but in order for your argument to be useful, we must know that you are telling the truth." BrenBarn says, "because it's a 50/50 chance anyway" ParserGirl says, "right" Julian says, "If PG is the wolf, she has been defending it with a vote for reillyb, the only other suspect, and repeated declarations that she is such." ParserGirl says, "reillyb is keeping very quiet, hoping we'll destroy each other" reillyb says, "or is trying to learn the rules of the game" ParserGirl says (to Julian), "You declare youself innocent many times as well" Julian says (to PG), "I've grounds in that nobody else claimed seeool." Julian says, "There *must* be two seeools now, because none of them were killed." ParserGirl says, "and yes, I realize it doesn't offer any conclusive proof." bolder has connected to ifMUD. Julian says, "It's possible that reillyb is silent because he is new." ParserGirl says, "Yes." ParserGirl says, "but also that he fears incriminating himself" You whisper "who" to Floyd. Floyd whispers, "Current players (4):" Floyd whispers, "brenbarn has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." Floyd whispers, "parsergirl has 1 vote and votes to lynch reillyb." Floyd whispers, "reillyb has 1 vote and votes to lynch parsergirl." Floyd whispers, "julian has 0 votes and hasn't yet voted." Julian says, "Even though I wasn't, and even though a loud voice is usually in the best interests of the villager population." Julian asks, "He's letting us decide who to kill. If he's the wolf, he has a dice-throw on his side. If he's the villager... what?" reillyb says, "it really doesn come down to 50/50" reillyb says, "depending on who's the seer and who's the fool" Julian asks (of BrenBarn), "could you quote the last ten lines before the first lynching?" Julian asks (of BrenBarn), "or say who voted for who?" BrenBarn says, "one sec" ParserGirl says, "One of us is the wolf. You just claimed villager, and so did I." ParserGirl says, "repeating comment I didn't mean to whisper:" BrenBarn says, "schep, PG, me, and reillyb voted for caleb" ParserGirl says (to reillyb), "I'm not seeool, and youre' not seeool" BrenBarn says, "julian voted for reillyb" Julian says, "Right." BrenBarn says, "caleb did not vote" reillyb says (to PG), "agreed" Julian says, "I'm thinking of my orginal arguments against reillyb." ParserGirl says (to reillyb), "So how is it not 50/50? I don't understand." reillyb says, "it is 50/50" ParserGirl asks (of reillyb), "so you changed your mind?" BrenBarn says (to PG), "he just made a typo, I think" Julian says (to PG), "typo, I think." reillyb asks, "did i say otherwise?" BrenBarn says, "I get the impression that PG is eager for death" ParserGirl says, "reillyb says, "it really doesn come down to 50/50"" BrenBarn says (to PG), "doesn -> does" Julian asks, "If PG is the villager, wouldn't she be?" bolder has disconnected from ifMUD. ParserGirl says, "oops. REad that as doesn't" reillyb says, "s/doesn/does" BrenBarn says (to Julian), "not as much as if she were the wolf" ParserGirl says, "also, I have to go to the bathroom" BrenBarn says, "although on the other hand it -- oh whatever" Julian asks (of BrenBarn), "how was her behavior, first round?" BrenBarn says (to Julian), "just vote for whomever you please and I'll vote that too" Julian sighs. Floyd | julian votes to lynch reillyb. BrenBarn says, "I'm all messed up" reillyb says, "great, i'm screwed." You whisper "vote reillyb" to Floyd. Floyd | brenbarn votes to lynch reillyb. Floyd | A majority has voted to lynch reillyb, who is strung up and dies Floyd | before sundown. reillyb turns out to have been a werewolf. Floyd | All the werewolves and Mafia have been killed. Floyd | The villagers win. Floyd | brenbarn was a fool. Floyd | julian was a seer. Floyd asks, "That game over already? It was just getting good. Wanna play another?" BrenBarn says, "yay" ParserGirl says, "Woo hoo!" reillyb says, "nice game" BrenBarn says, "the power of randomness" Julian says, "yay ... but not quite satisfying." reillyb says, "that was a lot of fun" caleb claps from the grave ParserGirl says (to BrenBarn), "well Ih ad it figured out" ParserGirl goes home. Oh, so you're sneaking up behind me to eat my delicious body? WHAM! Spikes! For you! In your head! Julian says, "I wasn't being random, but I won by randomness." schep says, "1. technically that BrenBarn ID-ed me villager does change the probability." Julian says, "s/I/we/" BrenBarn says (to Julian), "yeah" reillyb asks (of Julian), "was that just a guess?" Julian asks (of schep), "How so?" schep says, "2. wolf-PG would have had no reason to kill me at night, knowing I wasn't the seer." BrenBarn asks, "how did she know you weren't the seer?" Julian says (to reillyb), "No, but I wasn't working from clear arguments. Sigh." schep says (to Julian), "well, not by much. it's a bit of math." Julian says (to BrenBarn), "because two people ID'd her, schep and I, and I admitted beeing a seeool, and... nevermind." BrenBarn says, "oh, right, IIAS" Julian says, "schep could've been the seer, and I a fool." BrenBarn says, "darn, I missed that in the scrollback, that would have given me some confidence" Julian asks (of BrenBarn), "why?" BrenBarn says (to Julian), "no, see, schep IIASed PG as villager" schep says, "I wouldn't say PG was innocent if I were the seer and she were a wolf." BrenBarn says, "if PG was the wolf she would thus know schep was not the seer and wouldn't kill him" Julian says (to BrenBarn), "that's what I meant, oh. Right." BrenBarn says, "I didn't catch that when I looked back though" Julian says, "Therefore neither of us would've been seer, and only I backed up by IIAS." BrenBarn says, "well, it just would've shown PG wasn't the wolf" BrenBarn asks, "again?" schep says, "not absolutely. But the fact that she didn't make that argument for herself shows she probably didn't skip that on purpose."